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2018 Fall Quarterly Meeting & Seminar
September 13, 2018 @ 7:30 am - 7:30 pm$20 – $250.00
The Fall Quarterly Business Meeting will be held at 5:30 p.m. on Thursday, September 13, 2018
at Contigiani’s Conference and Event Center at the Pheasant Ridge Golf Club located at 140 Country
Club Road, Gilford, NH.
During the day, the Education Committee has planned an all day seminar. Since not all presenters
are focused on explicit cases, the seminar has been expanded to Case Studies and Then Some.
Following the seminar, the Program Committee has planned a social including a cash bar, hors d’
oeuvres, and a Foundation benefit raffle. If you plan to stay for the social, please √ on the registration
form to ensure there will be enough hors d’ oeuvres. During the social, committee meetings will take
place. Why not grab a drink, a few appetizers, and sit in on one of the meetings. We’ll end the day
with the Fall Quarterly Business Meeting. Keep in mind, you can earn 1.0 CEU for attending two
business meetings per year.
Case Studies And Then Some:
Case #1: Railroad Right-of-Ways
Robert E. Talon, NHLLS 872 will give an introduction and overview of current issues with Railroad
Attorney Mark Dunn’s discussion will be as to the history of the old RR ROW statutes from 1840
and 1844 and what has happened with the old RR ROWs under the Railroad Preservation Statutes,
RSA 228-60-a, and the cases recited thereto.
Mark grew up in Cambridge, MA in the 1950s, 1960s and early 1970s. He went to Belmont Hill School in Belmont MA, graduating in 1966, and then to Colorado College in Colorado Springs. CO, graduating in 1970 with a BA in Political Science. Returning to Cambridge, MA for several years, he worked in Boston and then went to law school in Washington, D.C graduating in 1977. Mark moved to Concord, NH in September, 1977 and has been here since first working as a real estate agent, and then upon taking and passing the bar as an attorney from 1984 to present. He was admitted to the Maine bar as of 1989, and has spent all of his time as an attorney doing land titling, conveyancing, and deed research. He also has appeared as an expert witness in cases regarding old roads and easements. He does commercial loan work for several banks in Concord as well as title work and closings for several conservation groups including SPNHF, Audubon Society of NH, Piscataquog Land Conservancy, and Five Rivers Land Trust. Additionally, when he first started practicing as an attorney from 1984 to 1989, he split his time between his own practice and doing title/deed research for W.G. Howard, Inc., a surveying company in Bow. Thus he learned the basics of surveying and worked with the surveyors on the worksheets to make the written record fit with the field evidence shown on the worksheets.
Case 2: What Line is Correct? The Answer is “Blowing in the Wind.”
This case study involved a dispute on the location of a boundary line. The deed did not specify metes
and bounds but described the boundary as the ridge line. A boundary survey was completed in 1962
with a staff head compass and tape with another survey done in 2010 using aerial photography
resulting in a different boundary location. The location of the boundary would determine which
landowner had the rights to lease payments generated by a wind tower. This is an interesting case
since it involved a conflict in old technology versus new technology.
Roy A. Sabourn NHLLS 619 has been surveying since 1974, and on his own since 1983. He sold his business to Stephen Tower in 2013, now DBA Sabourn & Tower Surveying and Septic Design, PLLC. Steve and Roy essentially did a role reversal, with Steve now being “the Boss” and Roy being the helper. Roy says, “It was time. Most of our work is in Grafton and occasionally Belknap Counties, but we have been working more or less state wide the last five or six years, much of it being municipal and/or court related work.”
Case 3: Who Owns the Boathouse?
This project started out like many others with a request from a land owner for help in acquiring
a Shoreland Permit for some improvements on his property on Lake Winnipesaukee. An application
to the Zoning Board may also be needed, depending on what the owner settled on for
improvements. In preparing an Existing Conditions Plan it quickly became apparent that there were
some boundary issues that would effect the amount of lake frontage and who owned the
boathouse. With boundary and title issues involving lake frontage, a legal battle was a distinct
possibility even though the boundary had been disputed and taken to court many years before.
And Then Some:
Darren Hardy, Education Director will be the moderator of a Panel Discussion
with Bill Doucet and Joseph Wichert from the Board of Licensure and Eric Mitchell, NHLSA Vice
Bill & Joe plan an open discussion on issues such as survey measurement standards, adequacy of
positional tolerance, certification as to methods used, current and future technology
- Adequacy of positional tolerance
- 50 story building layout to location of a wetland flag in the middle of a 1,000 acre parcel.
- Certification as to methods used, accuracy and precision of measurement and intended
use of the data.
- Govern the method or the results from current and future technology?
- GNSS receivers Mapping Grade, Survey Grade (RTK, VRS, Fast Static, Opus, Static,
with or without levels and EDM between pairs…
- GNSS receivers Mapping Grade, Survey Grade (RTK, VRS, Fast Static, Opus, Static,
- Total station – Robotic, to Prism, direct with reflectorless 0.5” to 5” accuracy.
- Levels, single wire auto level, three wire, invar rod, digital level, digital level to invar rod.
- Photogrammetry from manned aircraft, unmanned aircraft or close range terrestrial.
- Lidar – Terrestrial, Mobile, Airborne (manned or unmanned, public data or private data).
Eric Mitchell: Open discussion with NHLSA on items that need to be updated on the current NHLSA
1989 Ethics and Standards.
EDUCATION: University of New Hampshire, B.S.F. Forest Management
SOCIETIES: National Society of Professional Surveyors (Governor 04 – 07) New Hampshire Land Surveyors Association (Director 04 – 07) Connecticut Association of Land Surveyors Maine Society of Land Surveyors Massachusetts Association of Land Surveyors and Civil Engineers, Proprietors Committee NH Land Surveyors Board of Licensure (Chairman, Term 2019)
PROFESSIONAL CERTIFICATIONS: Licensed Professional Surveyor in Connecticut, Maine, Massachusetts, and New Hampshire
Doucet Survey is Mr. Doucet’s second business endeavor. At twelve years old with help from his father, he started a strawberry business in Bow, NH, which he ran for four years. He had two employees and purchased his first car from profits. In his senior year of college, he realized that his romantic vision of a career in forestry wasn’t going to fulfill his needs. Mel Jenkins and Bob Moynihan suggested he enroll in some advanced surveying classes at UNH Thompson School. At the end of his first week of work surveying in January 1987, he couldn’t believe he could get paid for having so much fun. Thirty-one years later, he still rushes with excitement in the morning to get to work. In 1993 Doucet Survey was formed with a staff of three squeezed into the back room of a dentist office. Today Doucet Survey has grown now with offices in Kennebunk, ME, Bedford, N.H. and Newmarket, N.H. His firm has seven licensed professional surveyors, which is a testament to the philosophy that in the survey profession there is always more to learn.
Joseph M. Wichert Joe has been self-employed as the principal of Joseph M. Wichert, L.L.S., Inc. since 1991. He is a long time member of NHLSA, the past chairman of the Alternative Dispute Resolution Committee and a past member of the Professional Conduct and Practice Committee. In 2015, he was appointed to the New Hampshire Board of Licensure for Land Surveyors. A lifelong resident of Manchester, he also served 6 years on the Manchester Development Corporation, the last 3.5 years as the Chairman. He is married with 2 sons who both work in the family business.
Eric C. Mitchell is the President of Eric C. Mitchell & Associates, Inc. (ECM), a Land Survey, Engineering and Land Planning firm in Bedford, New Hampshire. ECM has been performing land surveys, subdivisions, commercial site plans and environmental permitting since 1982. Eric has a BS in Civil Engineering from the University of New Hampshire and is a Licensed Land Surveyor, Certified Wetlands Scientist and Licensed Septic System Designer in the State of New Hampshire. He is currently the Vice President and past Director of the New Hampshire Land Surveyor Association and a member of the National Society of Professional Surveyors.
Tentative Seminar Schedule – 2.0 CEUs
|7:30-8:00am||Registration & Continental Breakfast: assorted bagels with cream
cheese, peanut butter, butter, and jams; assorted muffins, breakfast
breads, served with freshly brewed coffee, teas, and orange & cranberry
|8:00-10:00||Case #1: Bob Talon & Mark Dunn|
|10:00-10:15||Morning Break; sliced melons and fresh fruit display & fresh brewed
coffee and tea
|10:15am-12:00pm||Case #2: Bob Berti & Roy Sabourn|
|12:00-1:00||Lunch: Taco Buffet; beef and bean chili, traditional caesar salad; soda
and iced water set as a station
|1:00-2:15||Case #3: Mike Bemis|
|2:15-2:30||Afternoon Break: assorted cookies & dessert bars, coffee and tea|
|2:30-3:45||And Then Some: Darren Hardy, Bill Doucet, Joe Wichert & Eric Mitchell|
Meeting Schedule – 1.0 CEU for 2 meetings per year
|4:15 – 5:30||Committee meetings & Social with hors d’ oeuvres (Italian meatballs,
chicken fingers, display of artisan cheeses and grapes, fresh vegetable
crudite), cash bar and raffle
|5:30 – 6:30||Business Meeting|
Interested in becoming a Director or joining a committee?
(History, GIS, Land Records & Merchandising Committee Chairs & Publications Director are VACANT)
Why not sit in on the Executive or other Committee meetings and get your questions answered.
|Interested in donating to our Seminar Matching Fund?
Support attendance for unemployed or under-employed colleagues at a reduced rate.